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Is there such a thing as over-writing?


  • Marta
    Jun 28 6:33 PM
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    How many drafts is too many drafts? I know you can never have too much fun. And drinking liquor until he/she passes out is how much is too much for some people. Is it crazy to rework a novel or essay or just a short piece into five drafts? When asked Jackson Pollack (sp?) Said he knew when one of his paintings was done--you know that paint droppings method of his--i figured when he had run out of paint.

    I wonder how many people work and rework their drafts--some who publish have had to have their agents wrestle the novel out of their hands because, they rework their galleys to death. It can be maddening to put in a comma in the morning and then go back that afternoon and take it out. I am working through this problem and wondered if I am the only one who works like this?

  • Barbara
    June 28

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    I've rewritten things to the point where I never want to look at the story again as long as live... and I've gotten things 'right' the first time and can't change a thing even if I wanted to.
  • Soon, I'm going to have to rewrite my novel for the 4th time (*sigh*) I think you should rewrite it as many times as it takes to get you satisfied with it. If you need to, you can take a break, so you won't get totally sick of it.

    -Savannah

  • Valkyrie
    June 29

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    I'm not sure I have official "reworking" counts. I read my stories over and over, and if I see a sentence or word that sticks out, I'll edit it right then and smooth it out. Some days, big chunks of useless blather just vanish, and other days I write in a whole new scene.

    If a reader suggests something that stuck out for them, I'll look at it with their comments in mind, and almost always edit that part for clarity or simplicity or whatever needs to be done.

    I guess it's like not being able to step in the same river twice. Stories are constantly evolving, if they're being worked on. Some will be better than others. I sort of picture proper publishing as freezing the story in amber, but unless and until that happens, it's still a happy blob of malleable, fluid sap. How's that for mixing metaphors?

    • kyew
      July 7

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      I deleted the entire last two-thirds of my deathweaver story lol

      but it needed it, really

  • Asfand
    July 7

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    I usually don't do many drafts. Just one or two. I like the technique of 'making mud' - just writing down everything that comes to mind. That is my first draft. Then I rewrite almost everything but with a clear picture of everything in my mind. The finishing touches include editting commas, structure, dialogues etc - just like polishing.
  • I'm on the fourth draft of a story of mine, actually. I've never actually gotten to the end because I keep getting dissatisfied with the plot. I have two protagonists, and one of them is being such a pain that I have half a mind to just go and make him secondary.

    But, yeah. The first draft wasn't serious or anything, just pure fluff and angst. Then I tried to rewrite it with the same plot and characters, just 'better', but I realized it was still pure fluff and angst so then I tried to rewrite it again, but I cut some characters and added some and changed some situations. It still diverted back to fluff and angst, so then I changed the point of views to first person and cut out a character, added one, brought one back to life, and changed some other stuff.

    Currently it's better, and one of my characters, Fred, he's doing great. I love how everything is going with him, but my other character, Nick, is being a very bad character and I can't figure out what I want done with him.
    • Yikes! That's a lot of work! Although, there are probably lots of people who enjoy reading fluff and angst. Do you keep your old drafts?
      • If you're shooting for a full-fledged novel that you want to be taken seriously, fluff and angst gets pretty old after awhile.

        I have all of the drafts saved except for chapter one of the second draft. It was accidentally deleted.

        I even have my oldest draft saved, and it's very fun to look back on how silly it was.

      • Barbara
        July 18

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        I actually categorize all my science fiction as 'science-fluff', and crime as 'crime-fluff'.... until I rewrite, then I change it. I find it helpful to get the angsty soap opera feel out of your system first, then when re-reading, you can have a good chuckle at how bad it is.

        • Valkyrie
          July 18

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          OMG speaking of bad! I'm trying to edit this one story a chapter at a time for one of my groups, and I had to give up on chap2 because I was pulling my hair out! It's SO BAD!! If it were hair, it would be so tangled, the only solution is to shave it off...it's so fluffy it's friggin' cotton candy.
  • Well when writing a story I think that you should not only want other people to like enjoy reading it if you want them to, but you want to feel happy and satisfied with what you have written it.Whenever I look at a story I have written there is nearly every time a sentence or scene I change or delete. It can get REally annoying sometimes though. Its happened to me quite a few times.
  • you know, i really thought the whole effin' point of story write was to be able to post a totally crap story that you wrote and then ask a bunch of other people to help you re-write it to make it less crappy
    • silly. the point is to post the same crappy story over and over again win a useless trophy or two so everyone thinks you're a great author, and refuse to rewrite/edit it. Then you play on the CB with emotes and kids too young to watch anything not on mtv.
      The people here are too busy pointing out all the flaws in other stories to stop and help you.
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  • Marta
    July 23

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    Normally I wouldn't be too busy to help someone else write their story or help with the editing but, why waste time if they won't make the changes?

    It's like shoveling against the tide, it'll just keep coming back to you. I would help someone edit their story once, but when the same person keeps asking the same story to be edited and "can you read this one more time because, I did do SOME editing" I kind of want to tell them to find someone else to help them: and it's all I can do to be polite about it.

    I give my stories One season to flourish and then rewrite it numerous times but, if the rewrite doesn't seem to improve it then I just toss it. Six months or a year is the most I will spend time on a book, I've read that some people will work years on a book. Years? Who has that much time or want to dedicate that much time on something that clearly doesn't want to get written?

    While I rewrite my own work, I am hard pressed to have someone reread something I have edited time and time again...it strains the friendly relationship and people start to play the avoidance game "Gee, I have to go clean the bathroom." (yet, again) and sign off quickly. I know I have done that to other people myself.

    • Oddities
      July 24

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      heh

      Lord of the Rings took more than ten years to write.

      Writing a novel takes hundred of hours, maybe thousands.

      Terry Pratchet and the like might be able to write a book in six months, but thats working on it 40 hours a week.

      Most people on here can't really sink that much time into it as they have day jobs.

  • Leradny
    September 24

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    I don't think I've ever written more than one draft. I just tweak sentences so they flow better, get rid of any typos, check my sources if I've done any research, and shuffle paragraphs around.
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