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Writing novels set in other countries


  • KodyBoye
    May 1 12:13 PM
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    Hello,

    Kody here, ever-lingering topic spam creator. I figured we'd discuss this.

    Have you ever thought of an idea for a novel that you REALLY like, but have NO idea about the country, the customers, or how you'd write the thing?

    I have a novella I wrote (twice) which I've now decided will become a novel in the future. It's set in Japan and involves a businessman who, one day, while out in his koi garden, discovers a young man near the pool. This young man has a horn of bone sticking out of his head, which is soon revealed to be the result of overprotective parents who considered said young man a 'kirin' (better known as the horned dragon in Japanese culture.)

    But see, I fugre that I'll never be able to write it properly unless I visit the country.

    So, put 'go to Japan' on list of things to do.

    My second novel will be set in Iraq. It's basically the retelling of a true case that happened, which involved two young men (one known as AM, the other known as FM) who were sentenced to death by public hanging for the 'crime of homosexuality.' THese young men--fourteen and sixteen at the time of their original imprisonment--remained in jail for two years before they were finally executed. (Some foreign countries, particularly middle eastern and African, have death penalties for homosexuality--sometimes it's just men, but it's usually both gay and lesbian individuals.)

    The only thing that scares me about the second novel is.... well, Iraq. Plus, I'd have to delve deeper into how said people are actually held, interrogated, and how they were... *gulp*...tortured for answers. (The whole reason they were in jail and killed in the first place is because a younger boy, about twelve, accused AM and FM of raping him.) The torture aspect doesn't appease me much, but... meh.

    So, what about you all? Have you ever written (or plan to write) novels set in foreign countries? And if so, how did you study all the minor details? How'd you learn how to write their dialogue, or about specific things like food and how they live? How deep did you go?

    I figure this'll be an interesting topic of dicussion.
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    I guess it depends on how much importance the setting has on the story itself. If the same 'story' can take place in New Brunswick, then I'd say no need to fly to Japan. However if you need to know the actual geography of a particular neighborhood, then you might want to check out priceline.

    Actually, with this here internet you'd be amazed at home much info you can find on a place from the comfort of your own home.

    Now I'm not knocking Japan, hell I hope to travel there one day myself, but if 'info' for your novel is all you need there are easier and cheaper ways to go about it. Also books can take you amazing places.

    Careful how deep you go, not everything about every culture is interesting.

    If you're retelling a true case, do you need permission? It would seem easier to me to do a law-and-order-style-base-on-actual-events story. Change names and it gives you that creative license thing.

    How common are Koi gardens in Japan? Are they like pick-up trucks in the US?
    • You don't need permission to fictionalize something. The thing with said case is that said young men were only known as AM and FM (by their initials.) It's the same with war novels--you don't need permission to write them, because you're not actually writing about certain people. Now, if you used a living person as a character, you would need permission.

      And as to the koi gardens, I'm not so sure. I imagine they're fairly common, but I'm not too sure. : /
    • Ah, but if it's set in New Brunswick, and the description isn't there, then some will know.. (like me... since I've been all over NB, , and there are a few different cultures to consider.)
      • You've been to New Jersey? My condolences.
        • New Brunswick, Canada....

          which brings the idea to mind that specific locations need specific identifying features so that people know it's 'in'... say, Paris, etc.
          • 'say, Paris...'

            Because it's totally unacceptable to have Aiefel Tower in Australia, LOL!

            But yeah, that's my point exactly. My whole thing for wanting to visit said countries is because, in my mind, they play a bigger part in the overall story. Most (if not all) of my novels involve on a lot of characterization and inner relationships, so there's really no need to describe the way the sun rises in the desert's horizon, or the way the lights illuminate the streets of Tokyo even after the rest of the world is sleeping. That's my whole reason for wanting to experience said places.

            A good example of 'knowledge' of places was in one of the novels I'm writing (but not actively.) Had I never been to Minnesota (specifically the Walker area,) I wouldn't know what the woods look like, or the way the road changes from paved to dirt almost instantly when passing into the more rural areas. It's my little secret, but when said characters go inside a 'house' with a 'tower,' I'm actually using my aunt and uncle's house as a direct reference.

            So, yeah--I think if it's necessary, desribe it, but don't if it doesn't. I've been told I get away with not knowing about things quite well if I don't desribe them. >.>
          • Paris, France? Or Paris, Texas?

            I guess that's where those wikipedia and tourism sites come in handy.

            Again, maybe not. I know a lot of people who visit here (historical vacation location) and they have a lot of misconceptions that the internet and generic shows have given them. The parts of the city they 'know' make up about 5% of it all. Also we don't eat pretzels and cheesesteaks 24/7.

            But I still think the internet/books are the best route for info gathering.
            • I don't trust Wikipedia because it's run by the public. I could go on there right now and change 'Stephen King is an American writer' to 'Stephen King is an African porn star' very easily--just a click or two, type some text, then save it.

              So, yeah; you see why I don't trust Wikipedia, lol.
              • Never trust only one source!

                I usually do my initial research on Wiki, but of course I don't trust the facts there. 99% of the time I use it to get further information that I can then use to do a google search and find things to either back it up or refute it. I don't check just one other site either (especially if it winds up being a personal site). Research is all about checking and double checking facts.
  • Hmm, well your first novel sounds somewhat fantastical to me so in that case (if that is the case) then you don't have to be quite so accurate about it. Although I guess all that research stuff helps to make the story more realistic...

    Your second one... regarding torture and all that, I reckon you could just do a little research into torture/interogation methods - not necessarily Iraq ones - pick the worst ones you can find and no one would be any the wiser. Heh. But again, depends how accurate/realistic you want it to be.

    I agree with Jack that you don't need to go to a place in order to write about it. There's a wealth of information out there that will tell you all you need to know. Besides which, you might go to Japan, say, and find out today's Japan (or the place you actually visit) is not quite like the way you need it to be for your novel anyway.

    As for me, the closest thing I'll come to to writing a foreign country setting will be a fantasy world in which everything will be made up anyway.
    • I could PROBABLY get away with knowing little to nothing about Japan. I've done if before in the novella versions, but...

      As to the Iraq one, I'd prefer to have visited the place before I write said novel. Some part of me says that in order to write it the right way and do the story justice, I need to see the place before I write about it. Same for the torture methods--I'd like, at the least, to see said instruments.
  • I've done a little of both. My first novel was set in brazil. While it's still on my list of places to visit one day I don't feel I need to for the novel. It's set in the distant future so pretty much their current culture has been mutated anyway, so it's no big deal. I did do a lot of research on their architecture and other things like that.

    The sequel is based in Germany, where I have been. I don't know if that will effect how I write it however, as again, it's in the future.

    I've written other shorter stories based in other countries. Most of which, with the great invention of the internet, I have been able to either research cultural behavior, or even talk to people from those countries to get a better idea of what life is like there.
  • I've written in a few different countries.... and I use google a lot... wikipedia.... tourism sites, etc. To me, the US is another country, and I have no idea on some states, etc... so, I'll look up tourism sites, street maps, locations, attractions, etc. Get a feel for the place, really... some places even have virtual reality tours of the country (or, at least web cam tours). If there are laws that could come into the story, then I'll check out specific sites.
  • The current novel I am writing takes place in Washington, D.C., a city I've only been to once, so I had to google, do the wikipedia thing. I also looked at tourism sites. Well, D.C. is always in the news, and I have the story set in the near future, so I'm constantly hearing what is going on there. There are other cities in the world like that, too. There are certain big events in a country's history that can be studied, that shaped the nation as it is today.

    I will be writing a novel set partially in France and Germany for a good part of the story. I've been to both places. I lived in Germany for five years and was married to a German man for few years, so I know them better than the French, but I've studied a lot of the history of both countries. I didn't study them for the book, but out of curiosity.

    I've been itching to write a story set in Israel, but I'm still brainstorming that one. I have a subplot of my current novel happen in Jerusalem, but that didn't require too much research. If I would write the prequel to the current story I'm writing, I would have my character travelling through the Middle East, including Iraq and Israel, before going to South America to find a cure for a disease in Africa. I guess I would have a lot of research, should I write the prequel, which is probably why I'm not writing it right now.

  • And even being there doesn't always help....

    So, I just got a comment from someone on my book where I talk about South Dakota/Nebraska and things in that area. Now, I'm not exactly an expert, but I've been there quite a few times. Apparently that still didn't help me get some of the facts straight. She pointed out a few anachronisms that I made. A couple were on purpose (I took a few author liberties to get to the plot point) but a few things she said I should have known having been there AND researching after the fact.

    My point is, no matter what you do, about the only way you can catch a place entirely is if you live there.

    Hmmm... maybe I should write a book about Disneyland.
    • I wrote a story set in Vancouver/White Rock BC ... I lived in that area for ten years, and worked for the City Of Burnaby in tourism... so I knew the area, and everything....


      and apparently, I got a huge part wrong... a street I set a house on was changed to a mall about two years before I wrote the story .... checking facts is something I've learned to do, even when I *know* I know something (or, I'll make the story in the future, and BS my way through things that 'could' happen )
      • Either that or for the most part I avoid naming cities/towns, I can base my description off one, but then business names/places can be changed to protect my laziness.

        Culture though is harder to fudge. I try to get other cultures right, but you know, they still sound like they come off with my way of thinking. Say I place something in Asia, I've been there, I know the people well, have worked with them for years, understand their culture; their ideals will still escape me. I'm not buddist or hindu so even though I might know and even understand those religions they may make decisions I will never understand and that shows in my writing. They'll still make decisions based off my ideals because that's what I know. It's something that drives me bonkers, because I try, but I look at it and all I see is myself. Then again, maybe it's just how I read it?
        • Is it possible to take yourself completely out of what you write? If it is, what's the point of writing?

          Most times, we read what we write, others read whats written.
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