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What is a Mary Sue?


  • pink polka
    Apr 11 1:47 PM
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    I've heard this applied to many characters...mainly Bella. But what exactly does it mean? Just an average girl? (or Gary Stu?)

  • Lady Pixie
    April 11

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    Mary Sue, from my understanding, is a character that is labeled to almost be flawless. Great looks, smart, sort of popular... goals aren't really mentioned... the character is just there and loved by everyone basically.

    Basically a 'too good to be true/not that realistic' character would be considered 'Mary Sue'. I think. This is only from my understanding of the term, so I may be wrong.

    I probably will be corrected on this by someone.

  • spikeyness
    April 11

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    Mary Sue. Mmmmm

    ...That's a new one on me, too. Lady Pixie, you're a well clued up Gal.
  • Via Wikipedia

    "Mary Sue, sometimes shortened simply to Sue, is a pejorative term used to describe a fictional character who plays a major role in the plot and is particularly characterized by overly idealized and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as wish-fulfillment fantasies for their authors or readers."

    I've personally never known, so this is interesting. There's more to the article too, if you're interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_sue

    • Pyro Fish
      April 17

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      by this definition, the main male in a cheezy romance novel could sort of be considered a "mary sue", is there any alternate term for a "mary sue" that's a guy?

  • Lady Pixie
    April 11

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    Well... wikipedia said it much better than I said it.. but I had the general idea of what it was at least
    • Yes, despite the unnecessarily long sentence, this was worded quite nicely by whoever logged into their Wiki account to edit the page
  • This may help:

    The Universal Mary Sue Litmus Test
    http://www.springhole.net/quizzes/marysue.htm

    The term actually originated from Star Trek fan fiction with a character called Mary Sue who was an OC inserted into the fanfic to steal the main canon character's heart.

    Though that Wiki article is interesting, the above link provides a way for people to test their own characters against a set of questions designed to identify the possible 'Mary Sue'-ness of a character.

    Mary Sues happen in regular original fiction as self inserts or characters meant to fulfil certain dreams and fantasies of authors. The genre most likely to be riddled with Mary Sues is erotica. Mary Sues more frequently occur in fan fiction - much to the annoyances of fans who prefer canon characters and pairings.

    • Pyro Fish
      April 17

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      the mary sue litmus test is obviously designed to help a character creator to AVOID creating a mary sue, but the test could also be used to PURPOUSEFULLY CREATE a mary sue character, an ultra mary sue character could be spectacular in erotica and/or a comical parody type story, like a text version of an Saturday Night Live sketch

      • pink polka
        April 17

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        A lot of the qualities of a "mary sue" are impossible to avoid.Like if it's fantasy, there's no way your character can avoid being magical, having a weapon, or using magic.
        • How does magic make them a Mary Sue in a fantasy story? I can see if the character was the only character with magical powers how that would make them Mary Sue, but as far as I'm concerned, if the world is magical, then what's wrong with characters having magic?

          The only problem with magic is when writers make it infinite. This makes the character "perfect" and takes away from the story because the characters never lose strength. A flawed character is a good character.

    • CactusJack
      April 17

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      I took the test, got an 8.
      That was a freakin' long test. lol

    • tonialoise
      April 17

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      Oh wow, Star Trek trivia I never knew!!!! Of course I only dabbled in ST fanfiction a little, so it doesn't surprise me that I didn't encounter this.

      I always thought it originated in 1950's romance or something as I always picture Mary Sue as this perfect, innocent girl wearing a poodle skirt and all.

      Learn something new every day!

  • pink polka
    April 12

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    Ah. That was useful. My characters are ALWAYS mary sues.

  • pink polka
    April 18

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    Got an easier test:

    http://www.katfeete.net/writing/marysue.html

    Same principle, just shorter and easier and way cool results.
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